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twoleftfeet 10:57 Mon Sep 25
Momentum, a force for good or a force for evil?

They seem to have a massive say in everything that the Labour Party are doing, today it's reported that they vetoed any moves to debate Brexit.
They are also ensuring that momentum candidates get selected for seats.

So force for good or evil?

Labour back to the dark days of being told what to do by trade unions or Labour being the party of the working class?

gank 11:15 Mon Sep 25
Re: Momentum, a force for good or a force for evil?

Have you typed all that up and posted without even knowing which website you're on?

Willtell 11:17 Mon Sep 25
Re: Momentum, a force for good or a force for evil?

I do love a bit of communist propaganda...

twoleftfeet 11:32 Mon Sep 25
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I might sure there will be varying opinions.

Coffee 11:48 Mon Sep 25
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Might sure, eh?

1964 12:22 Mon Sep 25
Re: Momentum, a force for good or a force for evil?

Bunch of anarchists.

HairyHammer 1:21 Mon Sep 25
Re: Momentum, a force for good or a force for evil?

Not a force for evil but a force that will help to deter many from voting for Labour.

The Conservatives are awful and Labour cannot take advantage of that because they have an ultra Lefty as Leader and many loons close to him giving him advice of how the party must never ever even think of edging toward the centre, never in a million years will Labour get into power with a raving Lefty at the helm, and that comes from a Labour voter.

HairyHammer 1:21 Mon Sep 25
Re: Momentum, a force for good or a force for evil?

Not a force for evil but a force that will help to deter many from voting for Labour.

The Conservatives are awful and Labour cannot take advantage of that because they have an ultra Lefty as Leader and many loons close to him giving him advice of how the party must never ever even think of edging toward the centre, never in a million years will Labour get into power with a raving Lefty at the helm, and that comes from a Labour voter.

Willtell 1:23 Mon Sep 25
Re: Momentum, a force for good or a force for evil?

Momentum and Diane Abbott?

Not a winning combination for me...

Toe Rag 1:25 Mon Sep 25
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A rebranded Militant Tendancy.

I suggest younger WHOers give them a google.

Nurse Ratched 1:42 Mon Sep 25
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I too wondered if Momentum were Militant rebranded.

But you can never be sure with those left wing groups. It's all 'popular front of Judea' and visceral hatred towards other left wing groups who all look the same to sane people. We can't perceive the differences, but that lot live and breathe it. Splitters.

You could say to a Momentum bod "Are you the old Militant lot?" and accidentally end up insulting them.

Toe Rag 1:50 Mon Sep 25
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Offended is the permanent mindset of that type.

Wallies.

westhammerer 1:50 Mon Sep 25
Re: Momentum, a force for good or a force for evil?

What's not to like about their plans - Redistributes wealth and power from the few to the many; Puts people and planet before profit and narrow corporate interests; Builds a society free from all types of discrimination; Invests to create high-quality jobs and infrastructure; Reverses the privatisation of railways, the energy sector and public services; Provides protection at work and strong collective bargaining to end workplace injustices; Provides decent homes for all in both the public and private sector.

Any Old Iron 1:54 Mon Sep 25
Re: Momentum, a force for good or a force for evil?

Apart from being a bunch of scruffy soap dodgers, they're just a bunch of noisy perpetual demonstrators. It wouldn't matter if our country was the richest, most socially inclusive the world has ever seen, they'd always have something to moan about, because that's all they fucking do.
If any of them got anywhere near government it would only be catastrophic because they would blindly follow their Marxist agenda no matter what the outcome. So only a force for evil.

Hammer and Pickle 1:56 Mon Sep 25
Re: Momentum, a force for good or a force for evil?

Left, right or centre, the whole bally thing is a grotesque farce, root and branch, rotten to the core. Why single Labour out when the Tories are within a Carlton Club bunfight of becoming a UKIP led by a newt in a fucking bowler hat?

Momentum do seem a right bunch of cunts, mind you.

Infidel 2:11 Mon Sep 25
Re: Momentum, a force for good or a force for evil?

westhammerer

Redistributes wealth and power from the few to the many.
-It's not a cake to be divided up. Wealth can be both created and destroyed - and Momentum would destroy quite a lot of it.

Puts people and planet before profit and narrow corporate interests
- profit is the incentive for firms to invest and for entrepreneurs to start new businesses. Without it you wouldn't have the laptop with which you typed your post.

Builds a society free from all types of discrimination
- unless you're Jewish, in which case racism is just fine and the sooner they can all be wiped from the face of the earth the better

Invests to create high-quality jobs and infrastructure
- invests what? The country is bankrupt. A trilllion pounds of debt, 2 trillion in off balance sheet liabilities and a 60 billion annual deficit. Does Momentum have a magic money tree?

Reverses the privatisation of railways, the energy sector and public services
- agree with re-nationalisation of essential public services (gas, water, electricity, rail) where there can only be one operator.

Provides protection at work and strong collective bargaining to end workplace injustices
- there are no injustices. This isn't 1875. There are no children up chimneys and poor houses on every corner. More worker protection measures means more unemployment, it's that simple.

Provides decent homes for all in both the public and private sector.
- magic money tree again. There is no money to build houses. Only the private sector can do it.

What you and Momentum have failed to understand is that only about 5% of the population pay more in tax than they take out. The other 95% either pay in less than they take out or pay nothing at all.

The 5% keep the hospitals and schools open, they pay for welfare, policing and pensions. They are the heroes of the economy and without them everything falls apart. Momentum wants to declare war on them - and that will drive them out. Economic ruin is not far behind.

This isn't even speculation. Momentum's manifesto has been followed to the letter by Chavez and Maduro in Venezuela. People are starving to death, the shelves are empty in the shops, patients are dying in hospitals for lack of medicine and now there is a vicious crackdown on opponents of the regime by armed thugs. Freedom of speech has been suspended.

You have to have completely lost your moral compass even to entertain bringing that kind of human misery to Britain. Shame on you.

BRANDED 2:14 Mon Sep 25
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Wealth is destroyed?

You mean when its exported offshore by the wealthy?

Sven Roeder 2:21 Mon Sep 25
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As said they come from a mindset that all these nasty capitalists have all the money and we just need them to give it all to us to spend.
No concept of fiscal responsibility or how a modern financial economy works.
Fantasists

westhammerer 2:25 Mon Sep 25
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Infidel

"Without it you wouldn't have the laptop with which you typed your post."

I dictated it to my serf, as I am dictating this.

On this point, and all the others, you are demonstrably wrong.

southwoodford 2:25 Mon Sep 25
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Momentum are neither good nor evil because in the scheme of things they are irrelevant. If they were to get within a sniff of actual power, there would be the mother of all runs on banks, savings and capital assets. And there isn't anything they or their idiot stooges McDonnell and Corbyn could do about it. Nobody will allow them to turn the UK into Venezuela MKII.

Hammer and Pickle 2:28 Mon Sep 25
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Did some Brexit mong just mention "fiscal responsibility"?

Bwahahahahahahahaha ha ha!

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